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Dáil
‹ Order of Business

Brian Purcell confidentiality dispute

Summary

Róisín Shortall demands that the Taoiseach correct the record, lift confidentiality surrounding Brian Purcell’s account of the former Garda Commissioner’s resignation, or appear before the committee. The Taoiseach refers to the commission of investigation, while the Chair repeatedly rules Shortall out of order and eventually closes the sitting.

Will the Taoiseach formally correct the record in respect of what he said earlier about Mr. Brian Purcell and clarify that there is no firm commitment for a specific date for him to come before the Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

That is not in order on the Order of Business and the Deputy knows this.

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I want to also ask the Taoiseach if he will correct the record on the issue on which Mr. Purcell was asked to come before the committee, which concerns the resignation of the former Garda Commissioner.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I ask the Deputy to please resume her seat. This is not in order.

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The Taoiseach knows Mr. Purcell cannot divulge a private conversation between them on the night in question.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Will the Deputy please resume her seat?

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I am asking the Taoiseach if he will agree to lift-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I am asking the Deputy to resume her seat.

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-----the confidentiality in respect of that conversation so people can find out-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy Shortall.

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-----from Mr. Purcell why it was-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Switch off that microphone please.

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-----that the Taoiseach sent him out-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy Shortall, resume your seat.

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-----to Mr. Callinan. Will the Taoiseach lift that requirement for confidentiality-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I will ask Deputy Shortall to leave the House if she is not careful.

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-----or will he attend the committee and explain what went on that night?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy Shortall, please leave the House.

I do not want any comments on this. The Deputies who consistently ignore the Chair show grave disrespect to the House. It is not me personally; it is the House and the rest of the Members.

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The Taoiseach should correct the record.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Moreover, when you are asked to resume your seat, please do so-----

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The Taoiseach misled the House.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

-----and raise issues in accordance with the rules of the House.

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The Taoiseach should correct the record. He is the person who can provide-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Thank you, Deputy. That concludes the Order of Business for today. The Dáil will suspend for one hour.

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-----information on what happened that night.

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Deputies

Hear, hear.

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Will the Taoiseach lift the confidentiality requirement on Mr. Purcell?

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

As the Deputy knows well, this is the subject of a commission of investigation by a Supreme Court judge.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

My apologies, there also is the First Stage of a Private Members' Bill. I call on Deputy Adams-----

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

The Deputy should be ashamed of herself.

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The Taoiseach should be honest and should not put loyalty before the truth.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy Shortall, would you please stay quiet and behave yourself?

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The Taoiseach is goading her.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

And you too, please.

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With respect, the Taoiseach said she should be ashamed of herself. The Taoiseach should explain why she should be ashamed of herself.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

There is a commission of investigation.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy does not need to come in to defend anybody. She is well able to do it herself. I call Deputy Adams.

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Why should Deputy Shortall be ashamed of saying what she said?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I call Deputy Adams.

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Why should she be ashamed to say what she did?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The reason is because she was out of order.

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I was talking to the Taoiseach.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy Martin, please stay quiet. I call Deputy Adams.

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