Donegal Garda station downgrade
Deputy Marc MacSharry raised the downgrading of Donegal town Garda station and linked it to wider rural policing concerns, triggering a prolonged row over an alleged Goebbels reference. Deputy Pearse Doherty then supported the concern and blamed past recruitment policy for reduced Garda numbers in Donegal, asking for more gardaí to keep stations open. The Minister said these operational matters were for the Garda Commissioner, and the exchange descended into repeated calls for withdrawal and apologies.
Pages 96 and 97 of the programme for Government reads: "Building a visible and familiar policing presence is vital to...deterring crime." This has been replicated all over the country, but I will raise an example of something that is happening in the Chief Whip's constituency in Donegal where a Garda station, despite being scheduled for a €2 million upgrade, which is on the never-never like so many other jobs, is going from a 24-hour station to a part-time service. That area covers Inver, Frosses, Dunkineely, Killybegs, Kilcar, Glencolmcille, Donegal town, Drimarone, Ardaghey, Barnesmore Gap, Laghy and Ballintra. This is against the backdrop of our launch of Project Ireland 2040 in Sligo, which cost €45,000. What message are we sending? It is one thing wheeling everyone down for a €45,000 Goebbels-style launch. It is another thing when in reality-----
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The Deputy should withdraw that slur.
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-----we are cutting services and-----
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That €45,000 could have quite easily-----
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As the Ceann Comhairle knows, it was a political charge and drawing an analogy with an actual event in history is fine.
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It was an anti-Semitic slur on politicians.
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The Government might not like the fact-----
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If I could just get the same level of leniency-----
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If I could just get the same level of leniency afforded to other Members, I would be most appreciative. The reality is that it will take an awful lot of the €1.5 million that the Government will spend on these candidate promotion events-----
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-----in newspapers throughout the country to undo the damage and destruction the Government is doing to rural Ireland.
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The use of this money in this way is tantamount to theft from the people.
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It is stealing taxpayers' money, and Fine Gael should refund it.
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Apart from that, what is the Government's proposal for the people of south Donegal-----
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-----in terms of its downgrading of their Garda station?
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He will be on Sky News again. He wants to go international.
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They are completely and utterly out of order.
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A former Minister used that name in the House a number of years ago-----
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-----and apologised the following day. This is the second time I have heard a member of the Opposition using that name this week in reference to this Government. It is despicable.
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Deputy MacSharry should apologise and withdraw it. It was anti-Semitic.
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It was an anti-Semitic slur on Holocaust survivors.
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The only people Deputy MacSharry is letting down are the members of his own party.
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You are stealing the people's money.
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Deputy MacSharry is in a hole. He should put down the shovel.
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Deputy MacSharry should apologise.
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I did not say anything about that.
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It is on the same issue. I am glad to support what Deputy MacSharry said about the Garda station in Donegal town, which is going from a 24-hour service to a six-hour service. This is on the back of many Garda stations having been closed in Donegal as a result of Deputy MacSharry's party closing down the recruitment of gardaí via Templemore-----
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-----which has devastated Garda services in our county and across the country. That being said, we are where we are.
Why is this being contemplated now? Is it the fact that the Chief Whip does not have the same clout as the Minister, Deputy Ross? Is it quid pro quo, with one station getting opened in one part of the country through the sacrifice of rural Ireland? The people of rural Ireland are very annoyed at the fact that one of the few 24-7 Garda stations we have is being downgraded to six hours per day. The superintendent has told us that the Garda cannot ensure that it will be open even during those limited hours because gardaí will have to attend to call-outs. This is something that we see across County Donegal and much of rural Ireland, namely-----
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-----a depletion of services time and again. At a time when we see record numbers of gardaí going through the training college, will the Minister ensure that the necessary number of gardaí will be provided to Donegal for us to keep our Garda stations open?
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Of the 1,700 new gardaí of recent years-----
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-----only 40 have made their way to Donegal.
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Deputies Pearse Doherty and MacSharry will both be well aware of the fact that these operational issues are quite rightly matters for the acting Garda Commissioner-----
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-----and the leaders of An Garda Síochána. I am sure-----
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Maybe we should put questions to the acting Commissioner instead of to the Minister.
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Maybe Deputy MacSharry would first like to apologise for the remark he made a while ago.
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It seems that the overexcited state of Deputy MacSharry from time to time has been noted in Sligo as well as here.
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And on Sky News. He has gone international.
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I would like to inform the Deputy-----
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Maybe the Government could take out an advertorial.
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-----that I had the pleasure of visiting Sligo recently.
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Of all the people who were gathered on the occasion, Deputy MacSharry was noted for his absence from the announcements.
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Fine Gael candidates were put up front.
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A Cheann Comhairle, will there be an apology for the remark?
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It was anti-Semitic and the Deputy will not apologise.
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It is on the record that he will not apologise.
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A Member of this House previously had to apologise when making the kind of reference-----
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-----that has been made to another Member of the House. I deem that what has been said in the House - the reference to Goebbels - is out of order and a smear-----
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A Cheann Comhairle, we have yet to make it to speaker No. 4.
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I was in the course of delivering a reply.
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You were, and I will let the Minister do that in a minute, but I will respond to Deputy Durkan's point.
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-----given the state of disrepute into which a Member has brought the House.
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The weather is bringing the country to a standstill and Deputy MacSharry will bring the Dáil to a standstill.
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The Minister should please resume his seat. I have every intention of allowing him to respond to the points raised. Regarding the point of order, which referred to the Goebbels remark that has come from Deputy MacSharry, it was not directed, as I heard it, at any individual. If it had been, I would consider that to be deeply offensive.
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It was a collective remark, which was worse.
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It was directed at the Government.
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It was an anti-Semitic slur directed at every-----
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It is not acceptable, a Cheann Comhairle.
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One cannot make anti-Semitic charges in the House.
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It was an attack on the Jewish community in Ireland and the victims of the Holocaust, and it should be withdrawn.
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The Government is filibustering now and wasting time.
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A Cheann Comhairle, I do not accept your ruling that the comment is not worthy of withdrawal.
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I ask the Ceann Comhairle as Chair and as the guardian of the rights and privileges of Members to ask Deputy MacSharry to withdraw his remark.
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The Minister was answering the question.
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I am not changing my ruling. My ruling has been made. If Deputy MacSharry wants to be helpful in the circumstances-----
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We are being accused of being anti-Semitic.
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It is an anti-Semitic slur in the Dáil.
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My understanding is that the ruling of the Chair is final-----
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-----and it cannot be challenged by Members so perhaps the Minister would desist.
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Does Deputy Shortall believe it is acceptable?
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There is another place where the Minister can challenge that.
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Is Deputy Shortall supporting it?
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Will the two civil war parties please-----
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This is not about the civil war. It is about the Holocaust.
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For clarification, has the time for questions on promised legislation expired?