Ceisteanna ar Reachtaíocht a Gealladh - Questions on Promised Legislation
- Green cards and Brexit insurance 5 speeches
Deputy Calleary asked about the legal basis and practical effects of green cards for motorists after a no-deal Brexit. The Tánaiste said a no-deal scenario would require green cards for driving in Northern Ireland and the UK, and it was part of contingency planning.
Dara Calleary, Simon Coveney, Brendan Howlin
- National children’s hospital cost overrun 4 speeches
Deputy Doherty condemned the hospital cost escalation and questioned whether the tender had been set unrealistically low. He called for a full public investigation, and the Tánaiste replied that an independent review of the increased costs and responsibilities had been approved.
Pearse Doherty, Seán Ó Fearghaíl, Simon Coveney
- School secretaries pay and conditions 2 speeches
Deputy Howlin raised Fórsa’s campaign for fair treatment of school secretaries, highlighting their weak protections and insecure pay arrangements. The Education Minister said the issue was longstanding, schemes had been introduced over time, and it had to be considered alongside other public-sector pay pressures.
Brendan Howlin, Joe McHugh
- Abortion access for fatal foetal abnormality 46 speeches
Deputies Coppinger and Bríd Smith pressed for immediate intervention in an individual abortion case, arguing the hospital was not implementing the law and that the woman should not be forced to travel. The Ceann Comhairle repeatedly ruled the discussion out of order as an individual medical case, while the Tánaiste said the law was clear and the matter should be handled by doctors in hospital.
Ruth Coppinger, Seán Ó Fearghaíl, Bríd Smith, Simon Coveney, Richard Boyd Barrett
- Freight transport and Brexit meeting 5 speeches
Deputy Mattie McGrath complained that the Freight Transport Association Ireland had not secured a meeting with the Tánaiste despite repeated requests and serious Brexit concerns. A Minister of State replied that meetings had in fact taken place, including one on Brexit implications and another was scheduled.
Mattie McGrath, John Halligan
- Social housing income thresholds 15 speeches
Deputy Stanley said outdated income limits were trapping families in Laois and Offaly between social housing ineligibility and unaffordable home loan rules, and Deputy Scanlon said the problem affected many counties. The Tánaiste said a review of income thresholds was under way and any changes would follow once it was completed.
Brian Stanley, Seán Ó Fearghaíl, Eamon Scanlon, Simon Coveney
- Points of frustration on time allocation 28 speeches
After questions ended, several Deputies complained that time limits had prevented 11 Members from being reached and argued for priority or another chance next week. The Ceann Comhairle defended the procedure, said he would raise concerns with the Business Committee and reform committee, and the Chamber moved on.
Seán Ó Fearghaíl, John Brassil, Richard Boyd Barrett, Brendan Howlin, Pat Buckley
This morning the Irish insurance industry announced plans to distribute what it calls green cards to motor insurance holders so that they will be able to prove that they have insurance when they travel in the North and across the UK. Could the Tánaiste confirm whether there is a legislative basis for the green cards and what are the plans to deal with practical issues such as insurance for communities who live on the Border or who have to travel regularly into the UK? No specific proposals are outlined in the contingency plans, but given the conversation between the Tánaiste and the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Deputy Ross, it does not seem there is any understanding at his level about anything in relation to Brexit so we should not be surprised.
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Go on, tell us the real version.
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I will give some guidance. In my view it is not likely to happen and we will all be working to ensure it does not happen, but should there be a no-deal Brexit, the UK, including Northern Ireland, will no longer be part of the motor insurance directive, which is an EU directive, meaning a green card will be required to demonstrate to the authorities in Northern Ireland and to the rest of the UK if one is driving there that valid motor insurance cover is in place for one's vehicle. What the industry is saying, and what we are saying, is that this is an example of contingency planning. North and South of the Border, and in the UK, the same advice is being given at the same time by the industry, namely, that cars and vehicles that are transiting back and forth across the Border or going to the UK will need to be able to show that they have valid insurance if they are stopped in the other jurisdiction. If they carry the green card, which will be available for them, then they will be covered in that regard.
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The situation regarding the overrun on the national children's hospital is a catastrophic failure of the Government and those overseeing the project. To tell the truth, the explanations given to the Joint Committee on Health were absurd and farcical. We know that the original tender from BAM was €131 million lower than the nearest competitor. Did nobody in the Department raise how the tender price came in €131 million lower than what anybody else could build the hospital for? I recall the now Taoiseach, Deputy Varadkar, suggesting at the time that the project could come in below cost. Given that we know there is an overrun of more than €1 billion, which could increase further, what is needed now is accountability and a full, open, transparent public inquiry into how the project got completely out of control and who is responsible to make sure that it never happens again with public money.
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Will the Tánaiste commit to the Government allowing for a full public investigation into this complete catastrophe?
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As I am sure Deputy Doherty knows, the Government has approved the commissioning of an independent review of the escalation in cost in determining the adjusted contract sum. The review will commence this month and will examine the contributory factors and associated responsibilities so that any potential weaknesses are identified and comprehensively and speedily resolved in the interests of the successful completion of the project but also to learn lessons for other projects.
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The programme for Government commits to a just and fair society and a more inclusive prosperity.
Today, the Fórsa trade union is launching its Support Our Secretaries campaign, calling for respect and fair conditions for all school secretaries. The vast majority of salaries at primary school level, as the Tánaiste knows, are paid through the ancillary services grant, leaving those who are employed as school secretaries with very few legal protections. Only 10% of school secretaries are paid directly by the Department of Education and Skills. Many secretaries work throughout the year but are left dependent on social welfare through the summer holiday period. Many, after working for decades in schools, are left without pensions. Of 681 secretaries surveyed, 66% had no pension entitlement and 27% had no access to sick leave payment. Will the fair and just issues raised by this campaign be looked at by Government? Will school secretaries be paid in the normal way as full-time State workers?
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This issued was raised with me by Fórsa representatives on Saturday when they indicated that they would be launching their campaign this week. The matter has been raised by a number of Members across this House over a long number of years. Different schemes have been introduced, including that brought forward in 1978-79, and school secretaries and caretakers are also part of the public service stability agreement up to 2020. I am conscious of this issue but I am also conscious of the fact there are issues regarding nurses' pay and new entrant pay for teachers. These are all in the same grouping. I am very conscious of this issue but I am also conscious of the other demands.
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I wish to raise what I believe is the first test case for the new abortion legislation. I have been contacted by a woman who has a fatal foetal abnormality that has been certified by two consultants. It appears that the board of the Coombe Hospital is refusing her constitutional right, that we all voted for, to have an abortion at a time she chooses. Instead, they have told her she must wait another four weeks to see if there is a spontaneous miscarriage.
This is precisely the case that was brought to national attention and that led to pressure and demands for repeal of the eighth amendment. At 13 weeks, this woman went for her 12-week scan. They could clearly see at that point that the organs of the foetus were outside of the body. They brought her back a week later and that was fully confirmed when they got a better image. One doctor, her consultant, and then another consultant were brought in and stated that there is a fatal foetal abnormality. A week later, the matter went to the board and the board overruled that assertion.
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I ask the Ceann Comhairle's discretion on behalf of this woman. This is a very important case.
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It is very important but it is also without precedent that we would get involved in discussing a medical situation.
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This is about the law. If the Ceann Comhairle does not mind-----
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The Deputy is not describing the law. The Deputy is describing a medical situation that is very distressing------
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A main maternity hospital in the capital city of this country is refusing this woman her constitutional right when two doctors certify what is very clearly a fatal foetal abnormality. It would seem that it is because of the chilling effect of criminalisation that maternity hospitals are acting in this way. It should not be forgotten that the Rotunda is only enforcing the law to 11 weeks, a matter about which the Minister has written to the hospital.
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I am asking the Tánaiste to get the Minister to meet this woman today. She should not have to pay to travel, which is what she is talking about doing if she does not have her constitutional rights affirmed.
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I spoke to this woman, Emma Connors, last night. She is from Clondalkin and she is pregnant with a much-wanted baby but she has been told by her doctors, "You can go to England". Her words to me were, "This is not what I voted for. I have constitutional rights". What is the Tánaiste going to do about the matter today - not next week, but today?
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She is finding it hard to sleep, knowing the condition her much-wanted child is in. She wants a termination. She is entitled to it. This country voted for it.
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We cannot and will not have in this Chamber a situation in which individual cases are brought up here and Ministers called upon to adjudicate or comment upon medical situations. It is completely----
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It is the law. It is the legislation.
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The law is one thing. Discussing individual medical circumstances is not appropriate and not in order.
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It is the law. This is the first case we have.
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The law is now clear in this area. The Government, with the support of many in this House, passed legislation in a way that was consistent with what we promised we would do in the context of the referendum that was held. The law is clear. I agree with the Ceann Comhairle. I do not think it is appropriate to raise a tragic case-----
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We should not have a tragic case.
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-----of somebody who is clearly under a lot of stress. This case needs to be dealt with appropriately by doctors in a hospital, not on the floor of the Dáil.
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They are not implementing the law. That is the point. That is why we raised it.
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We would not be raising it if this woman did not want us to. She wants us to. She wants to be named. She wants a termination. Can you imagine what she is going through?
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There are patients in hospitals across the country who might want various circumstances that they find themselves in discussed on the floor of the House. However, that has not happened and it is not going to happen now.
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They are raised every day. They are constantly raised. This is outrageous. The is the first test case to give women their rights.
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On a point of order, we are entitled to raise promised legislation, including when a law is not being implemented.
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You have overstepped now, if you do not mind me saying it. We are entitled to raise new legislation that is not being implemented.
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Yes, we are.
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We want an answer.
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Of course they are.
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This legislation has been promised for years. Now we have it and it is not being implemented.
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A Ceann Comhairle, you have had milk sheds and cow sheds and you have had cases raised here every day. This is new legislation that the entire country voted for.
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There are problems with it and we are entitled, as Deputies, to bring it up here.
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I am amazed that you said that. We are entitled to bring this up.
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You said we cannot comment on individual cases. Comment on the law. Comment on the law that women are being deprived of - their constitutional rights. Comment on that.
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Is the Tánaiste going to contact the maternity hospitals about implementing the law?
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Yesterday, I received an email from the general manager of the Freight Transport Association Ireland related to Brexit. It has been writing to the Tánaiste for two years seeking a meeting. With all that is going on, including the exercise with 90 lorries in England, it is astounding that he has not met representatives from this association. How can he understand the real fears of many haulage businesses, which are a vital link for our freight to be transported to and from Europe and beyond, if he has not met them in the past two years? I cannot believe it. I appreciate that the Tánaiste briefed Opposition leaders about Brexit the other night but these are the business people of Ireland, employing thousands of people and delivering our products abroad. We need that continued but the Tánaiste has not met them for two years. Will he give a commitment to meet these people immediately? The general manager of the Freight Transport Association Ireland sent me an email asking for a meeting, which I will send on to the Tánaiste.
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A meeting with the general manager of the Freight Transport Association Ireland, Aidan Flynn, took place. I met them and I met the logistics association on apprenticeships only the week before last.
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Yes, but the Tánaiste may not be aware of that. We spoke about the skills needs for freight transport, distribution and logistics in the context of Brexit and a further meeting is taking place next week between the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation and the Freight Transport Association Ireland. A meeting did take place to discuss the implications, complications and complexity of Brexit, and the effects this may have on the Freight Transport Association Ireland. We spoke about customs clearance, supply chain management and logistics. A further meeting will take place next week.
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On the income thresholds for social housing, it is stated on page 22 of the programme for Government, which was drafted nearly three years ago, that the Government will "prioritise those on the lowest incomes and avoid creating social welfare traps". The reality in the case of Laois and Offaly is that hundreds of families are caught in a ridiculous limbo situation, with outdated income thresholds. They cannot get on the social housing waiting list but their incomes are way too low to get a mortgage or a loan under the new Rebuilding Ireland loan scheme.
A couple's income must be below €504 per week while a family of four must have an income below €528 per week. We have the ridiculous situation in which a local authority road sweeper in Laois or Offaly cannot get on the waiting list. People who are working part-time cannot get on it.
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People who are in receipt of family income support cannot get onto the housing waiting list. I raise this with the Tánaiste because I received a reply from the Minister for Housing, Planning and Local Government yesterday.
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I will just read the relevant sentence. It says that as part of the broader social housing reform agenda, a review of income eligibility will take place in each area. The Minister goes on to say-----
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The reply is a lot of waffle and it does not deal with the situation. It says the Housing Agency is continuing to carry out the detailed statistical work which should underpin the review on behalf of the Department.
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That is going on for three years while people caught in private rented accommodation cannot get a mortgage or loan under the new affordable housing scheme and cannot get onto a housing waiting list.
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I want the Tánaiste to give me a clear answer as to when this madness will change.
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This is not just about Laois and Offaly. It affects Sligo, Leitrim, Roscommon, Donegal and everywhere else. I have a number of cases involving young families with children who pay more in rent than they would if they had a local authority mortgage. They have been refused and appealed and refused again. It is wrong. They cannot go on the council housing list because their incomes are slightly over the limit. Something drastic must be done.
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I recall debates when I was in the Department dealing with the housing issue. As the Minister said in reply to Deputy Stanley, a review is under way. When it is completed, any changes to be made will be brought forward by the Minister to address income threshold levels.
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That concludes questions on promised legislation. Unfortunately, 11 Deputies were not reached today.
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Frustration.
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The Ceann Comhairle showed great latitude, in fairness to him, to people who completely abused the time available for questions on promised legislation. Those of us who sat here and waited patiently for time will not now get in. I ask the Ceann Comhairle to allow the 11 Deputies to make their points and to provide them with the same latitude he gave previous speakers. Good behaviour in this Chamber is not rewarded very often.
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If there were two or three Deputies offering, I would certainly provide that latitude. However, to accommodate 11 Deputies and the replies to them would not work.
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The truth is that I inform every Deputy when his or her time is up. I am happy to hear it if Deputy Brassil has an idea of how to enforce time limits more effectively on Deputies, in particular on Leaders who are more assiduous in consuming the time allowed than other Members.
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It is very simple. The Ceann Comhairle should not call those who abuse the time limits.
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Some of the Leaders would be in trouble then.
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On a further point of frustration, I suggest the 11 Deputies on the list before the Ceann Comhairle get priority next time we come to the Chamber.
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It is about fairness, equality and Dáil reform.
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Is this a new Standing Order protocol, namely the point of frustration?
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The Ceann Comhairle said 11 of us would not all be here next Tuesday, but I note that this is my third day in a row spending more than an hour sitting in the Chamber to wait my turn. I see Members walk in two minutes before they are supposed to speak and get in straight away. The system is wrong and unfair.
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It is a capitalist system.
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The Ceann Comhairle should start today by saying the 11 Deputies who did not get to speak will have an opportunity when the Dáil meets next Tuesday to come in. It is not very nice to see people walk in two minutes before they speak. Having done so, away they go. It is not fair.
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By way of explanation, I would have thought everyone understood the system. The Leaders of each of the eight groups in the House are given an opportunity to raise a question before other Members. I have long held the view that Leaders who have the opportunity to ask questions on Leaders' Questions should not be asking questions on promised legislation at all.
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Hear, hear.
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However, the Members' Leaders would not agree to that. I will bring their concerns back to the Business Committee and the Dáil reform committee. Members should remember that we had bingo cards here a while ago.