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‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Order of Business

Summary

The Government moved the week's business and it was not agreed. Deputies then raised RTÉ, a motion of instruction on the heritage Bill, and calls for debates and investigation, before the Taoiseach replied on RTÉ and the Chair moved on to substantive questions.

Hildegarde Naughton Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach Fine Gael

I move:

Tuesday's business shall be:

- Motion re Proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the Technological Universities Act 2018 (Section 44F) (Appointed Day) Order 2023 (without debate)

- Motion re Offences against the State (Amendment) Act 1998 and Motion re Criminal Justice (Amendment) Act 2009 (2 separate motions, to be debated together and conclude within 145 mins)

- Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023 (Second Stage) (if not previously concluded, to stand adjourned at either 7.30 p.m. or after 60 mins, whichever is the later) Tuesday's private members' business shall be the Motion re Nursing Home Care, selected by Sinn Féin.Wednesday's business shall be:

- Motion re Restoration of Bills to the Order Paper (without debate)

- Historic and Archaeological Heritage Bill 2023 – Motion for a Financial Resolution (without debate)

- Statements pre-European Council meeting of 29th-30th June, pursuant to Standing Order 124 (not to exceed 110 mins)

- Statements on Environmental Protection Agency Water Quality Report 2022 (not to exceed 145 mins)

- Motion re Instruction to Committee on the Historic and Archaeological Heritage Bill 2023 (to conclude within 60 mins)

- Courts and Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022 (Amendments from the Seanad) (to be taken no earlier than 6 p.m. and to conclude within 60 mins)

Wednesday's private members' business shall be the Motion re Culling the National Herd, selected by the Rural Independent Group.

Thursday's business shall be the resumed Second Stage of the Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023 (if not previously concluded) (if not previously concluded, to conclude either at 6.25 p.m. or after 4 hours and 40 mins, whichever is the later).

Thursday evening business shall be Second Stage of the Defective Dwellings Bill 2021.

Proposed Arrangements for this week's business:

In relation to Tuesday's business, it is proposed that:

1. the ordinary routine of business as contained in Schedule 3 to Standing Orders shall be modified to the extent

(i) the Dáil shall sit later than 10.30 p.m.;

(ii) the time at which Government business shall be interrupted to take private members' business shall be in accordance with the arrangements for the Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023, with consequential effect on the commencement times for the items following private members' business in the ordinary routine of business, namely, oral Parliamentary Questions to the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform and topical issues;

2. the Motion re Proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the Technological Universities Act 2018 (Section 44F) (Appointed Day) Order 2023 shall be taken without debate;

3. in relation to the Motion re Offences against the State (Amendment) Act 1998 and the Motion re Criminal Justice (Amendment) Act 2009, the following arrangements shall apply:

(i) the motions shall be debated together, with separate questions put on all proceedings thereon;

(ii) the proceedings shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 145 minutes, with arrangements in accordance with those agreed by Order of the Dáil of 30th July, 2020, for 135 minutes, following which a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a speech in reply which shall not exceed 10 minutes; and

(iii) members may share time; and

4. the proceedings on Second Stage of the Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023 shall, if not previously concluded, be interrupted and stand adjourned at either 7.30 p.m. or after 60 minutes, whichever is the later.In relation to Wednesday's business, it is proposed that:

1. the ordinary routine of business as set out in Schedule 3 to Standing Orders shall be modified to the following extent:

(i) the SOS pursuant to Standing Order 25(1) shall be taken immediately following the Statements pre-European Council meeting of 29th-30th June, pursuant to Standing Order 124, which shall be taken on the conclusion of Parliamentary Questions to the Taoiseach pursuant to Standing Order 46(1);

and

(ii) the weekly division time may be taken later than 8.45 p.m., and shall, in any event, be taken on the conclusion of proceedings on the Courts and Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022, with consequential effect on the time for the adjournment of the Dáil;

2. the Motion re Restoration of Bills to the Order Paper shall be taken without debate;

3. the Motion for a Financial Resolution on the Historic and Archaeological Heritage Bill 2023 shall be taken without debate;

4. the Statements pre-European Council meeting of 29th-30th June, pursuant to Standing Order 124, shall not exceed 110 minutes, with arrangements in accordance with those agreed by Order of the Dáil of 30th July, 2020, for 100 minutes, following which a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply which shall not exceed 10 minutes, and members may share time;

5. the Statements on the Environmental Protection Agency Water Quality Report 2022 shall not exceed 145 minutes, with arrangements in accordance with those agreed by Order of the Dáil of 30th July, 2020, for 135 minutes, following which a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply which shall not exceed 10 minutes, and members may share time;

6. the proceedings on the Motion re Instruction to Committee on the Historic and Archaeological Heritage Bill 2023 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 60 minutes, and shall be confined to a single speaking round, with the contributions of a Minister and of a representative of Sinn Féin, the Labour Party, Social Democrats, People-Before-Profit Solidarity, the Regional Group, the Rural Independent Group, and the Independent Group (who shall be called in that order) not exceeding 7.5 minutes each, and members may share time; and

7. the proceedings on the amendments from the Seanad to the Courts and Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022 shall be taken no earlier than 6 p.m. and shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 60 minutes and any amendments from the Seanad not disposed of shall be decided by one question which shall be put from the Chair, and which shall, in relation to amendments to the Seanad amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Justice.

In relation to Thursday's business, it is proposed that:

1. the ordinary routine of business as set out in Schedule 3 to Standing Orders shall be modified to the extent that topical issues shall be taken on the conclusion of Second Stage of the Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023, with consequential effect on the commencement time for Second Stage of the Defective Dwellings Bill 2021 and on the time for the adjournment of the Dáil; and

2. the proceedings on the resumed Second Stage of the Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at either 6.25 p.m. or after 4 hours and 40 minutes, whichever is the later, and any division demanded thereon shall be taken immediately prior to Committee Stage of the Bill.

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

Is it agreed? It is not agreed.

Comment on this

The revelations about secret payments to Ryan Tubridy in RTÉ have been a kick in the teeth to public confidence in the State broadcaster and a kick in the teeth to the ordinary journalists and workers in RTÉ who have done nothing wrong and who, while these payments were being made, had to endure pay cuts, pay freezes, bogus self-employment, zero-hour contracts and many other sacrifices. They and the public deserve absolute, full transparency and all the facts to be put on the table with no drip-drip. The Minister needs to instruct RTÉ to publish all the relevant information immediately, with no dragging it out. I ask that if the Minister has briefed the Government on the terms of reference of the review, that she comes in here and briefs us and has a proper discussion this week on how we are going to get the truth out in the interest of the public and the workers in RTÉ.

Comment on this

I too wish to raise the issue of the revelations about RTÉ. I know the Taoiseach has spoken earlier about the fact that RTÉ is due to issue a statement at 3 o'clock but it seems we are all in the dark until we see that statement as to the answers that we await concerning the issue of secret payments. Everyone will feel immense solidarity with the staff of RTÉ who are on ordinary employment contracts and who are trying to get on and do their jobs to the best of their abilities in keeping with the spirit of public service broadcasting. Yet it seems extraordinary that the Taoiseach has been left in the dark, as we all have been left in the dark, awaiting the statement. Did the Taoiseach meet with the outgoing and incoming directors general recently?

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

This is the Order of Business.

Comment on this

If so, if they did not tell him anything about this, does he feel that he has been left in the dark?

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

Deputy Bacik, it is the Order of Business. I call Deputy O'Callaghan.

Comment on this

On the Order of Business there is a motion of instruction on the Historic and Archaeological Heritage Bill 2023 that the Government tabled. The Minister has tabled 24 pages of amendments on this Bill. They are entirely outside of the original scope of the Bill. There are amendments to five existing pieces of legislation that have nothing whatsoever to do with archaeology or heritage. There has been zero pre-legislative scrutiny of these amendments. It seems to be an attempt to bypass the pre-legislative scrutiny process. I object strongly to the motion of instruction for these amendments to be taken. These should not be shoehorned into a Bill on archaeology and heritage. They should be brought forward as separate legislation so they can be scrutinised properly.

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I want a full debate on the RTÉ debacle. There are many thousands of decent workers in RTÉ. This scandal is going on. We saw how the board and the executive board suspended Dee Forbes. Then she was dismissed and she is blatantly refusing to come before any committee. I want, as happens to people who are unable or who do not wish to pay their licence because of the poor service of RTÉ, Ms Forbes to be arrested and charged and to get the Garda to question her if she will not come before this House.

The people are aghast at what is going on at the top levels in some organisations. Of course, it is-----

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

Deputy, it is the Order of Business.

Comment on this

Yes, it is. I want a full debate about the debacle at RTÉ and the failure of the Government and Ms Forbes riding into the sunset. I want a Garda investigation to ensure Ms Forbes and other senior people in RTÉ are held to account.

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

Order, please. I have allowed a certain leniency on this because I realise the importance of the issue. We have to be careful about making allegations.

Comment on this

I am not making any.

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

I understand that the former director general resigned.

Comment on this

She was dismissed.

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

Let us be careful in our use of language. Deputy Doherty wishes to come in on the Order of Business.

Comment on this

It is not surprising this is the issue everybody is raising today, because it is the issue the public is talking about. People are shocked by this. I ask this question in the context of the terms of reference and the sequencing of work in this House, particularly the committees that will meet. Is the Government aware of any information about the 2017 to 2019 payments? I ask the Taoiseach that question because I know his Cabinet colleague met with the chair. Was that question asked?

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

It is the Order of Business.

Comment on this

Was any response given? It is really important for the conduct of the work of this House that all the information available to be put into the public domain is put into the public domain. I take it that the terms of reference of the inquiry being looked at-----

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

Deputy, we are straying. This is the Order of Business.

Comment on this

-----talk about the Grant Thornton review that has not even started.

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

The Taoiseach is to respond.

Comment on this

It may be a number of months before we have a report from Grant Thornton.

Comment on this

That is why we need to hear from the Minister.

Comment on this

It is really important. Maybe there is no information.

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

It is the Order of Business. Thank you.

Comment on this
Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I thank the Deputy. I do not have any further information on the 2017 to 2019 payments, other than the amounts and the person who received them. I have no other information. The Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media, Deputy Martin, will be happy to address the Dáil next week on this matter. We think it makes sense that we see the RTÉ statement this afternoon, and the committee hearings be allowed do their work on Wednesday and Thursday. We will come back when we have the terms of reference for a proper debate and discussion of it in the Dáil next week. That is what we propose to do. It would be a bit strange for the RTÉ executives and board to be questioned in a committee room by some Deputies, and have the Minister here at the same time. We think it makes sense to do it over the two weeks, and that is what I propose to the House.

I will ask the Whip to answer the question on the Historic and Archaeological Heritage Bill 2023.

Comment on this

A briefing on the Historic and Archaeological Heritage Bill 2023 is being organised for members of the joint Oireachtas committee. A number of amendments, including an amendment on local government rates, are time sensitive. They need to be in place before budget 2024. There are issues around maternity leave in local government, which clarify the legal position for councillors' Seanad votes if they take maternity leave. That is in line with advice from the Attorney General. It is a technical amendment, but it needs to be made to avoid any legal uncertainty in advance of an election. There is an amendment on Lough Corrib, which is a technical amendment. There is a transitional amendment for the establishment of the Maritime Area Regulatory Authority, MARA. It is a technical amendment that needs to be passed. This will go to committee to be debated.

Comment on this
Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

Are the arrangements for the week's business agreed to?

Comment on this

They are not agreed.

Comment on this
Division Carried

Question put: "That the proposed arrangements for this week's business be agreed to."

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Do you agree with this result?

Catherine Connolly An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Independent

I congratulate Deputy Phelan on the arrival of Garrett, who is nine weeks old. I have checked that he has not voted.

Tá mé ag bogadh ar aghaidh to dtí ceisteanna ar pholasaí agus reachtaíocht atá geallta. I know everybody wants to contribute but we will be out of time. I ask for Members' co-operation. It is up to one minute each and if we follow that, we will get through it. Otherwise, we will not and I will stop it at the right time. We have 23 minutes.

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