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Dáil
‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Justice debate on Thursday's disorder

Summary

Several Deputies demanded a proper over-and-back debate with the Minister for Justice on last Thursday’s events, rather than preprepared statements, and sought additional or amended scheduling. The Taoiseach said statements on law and order would be held that day and the Minister for Justice would take questions the next day.

We had asked last week for the Dáil to be reconvened to have a proper discussion on recent events. That was not agreed by the Government. We also asked for questions to the Minister for Justice, not statements. Our request in that regard was also not agreed. We ask for the Order of Business to be amended in order that the Minister can take questions. We have asked for accountability but there has not been any sign of it. People can see there is a lack of control. They need to feel safe, not only for themselves but also for their children. We need the Minister to answer the questions.

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On the same topic, it is welcome that there is to be a debate this afternoon, but it is very much a reaction to what happened last Thursday. We believe there should have been a back-and-forth discussion. There may well be agreement to make a change in that regard. In the absence of that, there needs to be a further debate next week in order that we can take stock. There should be a back-and-forth engagement with the Minister for Justice in order that we can see what proactive responses are possible in the context of what happened last week, rather than a reaction. We believe that needs to happen. It needs to be put on the agenda for next week.

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On the basis of the Taoiseach's replies during Leaders' Questions, I call once again for a reasonable and rational debate on inward migration, including on illegal and undocumented people coming here. I do not want any lectures from the liberal left here. I have been asking for this reasonable debate for months at meetings of the Business Committee. If we are to really examine issues, we have to have a debate. As the Taoiseach said, he is debating this with everybody. We have to have a debate in here; this is not an echo chamber. I failed to put the matter on the Business Committee’s agenda this week or next week on behalf of my group. We are soon going to have the Christmas recess. Will we not have it then either? We badly need a reasonable, calm, intelligent and understanding debate. We have to have it sooner rather than later.

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On the planning and economic development Bill, will the Taoiseach clarify whether there will be a guillotine? Will all Members who want to contribute to the debate be given enough time to do so?

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I echo the calls for a proper over-and back debate with the Minister for Justice regarding what happened last Thursday night. We agreed with calls for the House to reconvene yesterday to have a proper, full debate on what happened on Thursday, when the city was effectively on fire. We cannot have preprepared speeches read into the record of the House; we need to have a proper conversation over and back and get proper answers and accountability.

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Last week, Ukrainian military officers were assessed by NATO assessors at Lynch Camp, Kilworth, County Cork. Many people will be amazed to hear that. No doubt, the Government will say it is within the law and falls under the Partnership for Peace arrangements. If it can happen when the current legal arrangements are in place, I can only imagine what might happen when the Government changes those arrangements and scraps the triple lock. The Government is chipping away at so-called Irish neutrality every week. When the Business Committee meets this week, I request that it discuss the scheduling of a debate on the triple lock before the Christmas recess.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I thank the Deputies. There will be statements today on law and order and the events of last Thursday. Tomorrow, the Minister for Justice, Deputy McEntee, will take Taoiseach's Questions and Questions on Promised Legislation in my stead for the best part of an hour, during which time she may be asked questions on any matter Members wish to ask about. I will be attending COP28 in Dubai so will not be able to attend in the House tomorrow.

There are no plans for a guillotine on the Planning and Development Bill. Second Stage was delayed. We have no plans at present for a guillotine.

A debate on migration is a matter for the Business Committee to schedule. I have no objection to it whatsoever, but I would suggest that we would need some ground rules and the professionalism of a very strong Chair for such a debate.

I understand that a motion on neutrality is being taken this week.

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Division Carried

Question put: "That the arrangements for the week's business be agreed to."

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