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Dáil
‹ Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation

Criminal legal aid reforms

Summary

Deputy Gannon warns that solicitor industrial action reflects a crisis over the proposed flat-fee criminal legal aid system and asks for the Department’s analysis. The Taoiseach defends the Minister’s reforms and engagement with legal representatives before the Chair moves on.

Has the Taoiseach any idea what is happening in the Department of justice at the moment? There seems to be an impulsivity driving and leading the Department that has scant regard for consequences. In our courts, for example, the criminal legal aid system is on the verge of collapse. Solicitors have taken to removing their labour for three days and that will continue into next week. Over the past couple of weeks, when the spokespersons asked for the analysis that is the basis on which the flat fee is being introduced, we got nothing back from the Department. Yet, I was able to ready about it today in the Daily Mail and elsewhere. There is chaos happening in, and emanating from, the Department of justice. This is nowhere better seen than in what is happening in the courts at the moment. Will the Taoiseach ask the Minister to re-engage with the people who deliver the criminal legal aid system? They have currently withdrawn their labour and the consequences of that will be dire. Nobody seems to have a clue what is going on, and no less so the Minister for justice.

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I disagree with the Deputy. I think we have a strong Minister for justice who is making sensible decisions. Some people will perhaps not like it because they liked the old system. We should not be having multiplicities of hearings. That is not tenable or sustainable. There is going to be no reduction in the cost to the State of providing criminal legal aid because of the reform. The Minister is proposing a flat fee. He has engaged with the Law Society and the Bar Council in respect of this. Expenditure on criminal legal aid in the District Court has nearly doubled from €19 million in 2015 to €37 million in 2024. Come on, Deputy. We cannot all go around the place saying-----

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Can we see the analysis?

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Verona Murphy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Deputy, please.

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Whose analysis?

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Verona Murphy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

For God's sake.

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Apologies, a Cheann Comhairle, I should not have asked.

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Verona Murphy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Bold.

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It is important though because-----

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Verona Murphy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

I call Deputy Bacik.

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