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Dáil

Order of Business

Items in this session
Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

It is proposed to take No. 14, motion re proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the terms of the association agreement between the EU and its member states and Central America, back from committee; No. 34, Criminal Justice (Spent Convictions) Bill 2012 [Seanad] - Order for Report Stage and Report and Final Stages; and No. 1, Medical Practitioners (Amendment) Bill 2014 [Seanad] - Second Stage.

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that in the event a division is in progress at the time fixed for taking Private Members’ business, the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. and shall adjourn on the conclusion of Private Members’ business which shall be No. 215, motion re social housing, resumed, and shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 90 minutes; and No. 14 shall be decided without debate.

Tomorrow’s business after Oral Questions shall be No. 14b, motion re Standing Orders 6, 6A, 6B, 90, 100 and Schedules; No. 33, Technological Universities Bill 2015 - Report Stage (resumed) and Final Stage; No. 34, Criminal Justice (Spent Convictions) Bill 2012 [Seanad] - Report Stage (resumed) and Final Stage; No. 2, Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015 [Seanad] - Second Stage; No. 1, Medical Practitioners (Amendment) Bill 2014 [Seanad] - Second Stage; and No. 7, Health (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2016 - Order for Second Stage and Second Stage.

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the proceedings on No. 14b shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 25 minutes and the following arrangements shall apply: the speech of a Minister or Minister of State and of the main spokespersons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, who shall be called upon in that order, and who may share their time, shall not exceed five minutes in each case; and Deputy David Stanton shall be called upon to make a speech in reply which shall not exceed five minutes.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

There are three proposals to be put to the House. Is the proposal for dealing with the late sitting agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 14, motion re proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the terms of the association agreement between the EU and its member states and Central America, without debate agreed to?

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It is not agreed. This is major legislation that went through the European Parliament and was signed, I understand, towards the end of 2012. The situation in Central America has changed substantially since. At the very least the House should give the motion the courtesy of a full debate to see whether an agreement that the European Union is signing with Central America is in fact fit for the purpose for which it was originally intended. There are questions about human rights, and the protection of workers has substantially and dramatically changed for the negative. That has not been taken into account by the agreement

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

You cannot discuss the agreement.

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I am not discussing the agreement.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

This matter has been dealt with by the committee. The debate took place at the committee.

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Even if it was dealt with at the committee, the House and I are entitled to debate whether time is allocated for a debate in the House because I believe that all of-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We will ask the Taoiseach about that.

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I set out the context. I was finishing my point before I was interrupted. The context is that the situation in the Central Americas has substantially changed since the agreement was originally put in place. We should at least have a respectful debate in the House to reflect that. We have had debates on other motions of this scale. Even when a debate took place in committee we have had a debate in the House afterwards. At least half an hour, if not longer, should be given to a debate on the motion.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

This matter was dealt with and debated in committee yesterday. It now requires approval by the Dáil. There is no need for it to be debated further at this point.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Is the proposal for dealing with No. 14b, motion re Standing Orders 6, 6A, 6B, 90, 100 and Schedules, agreed to? Agreed.

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On No. 33, the Technological Universities Bill 2015, there has been enormous disquiet among members of institutes of technology throughout the country about the Bill. There is a very strong sense that their points of view have not been properly articulated, represented or reflected in the Bill, in particular the issue of the mandatory merger-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Bill is being debated today.

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I know that, but I have a proposal on the Order of Business. The proposal in primary legislation, that in order to become a technological university there must be a mandatory merger of institutes of technology, has caused significant disquiet and opposition throughout the country. The issue has not been dealt with properly at a local level. The Bill should be deferred until after the general election, at which time it can be deliberated upon properly and there can be proper consultation with all stakeholders.

The Bill will dramatically change the nature of regional third level education in this country. Regional colleges were established with a very clear mandate in terms of employment and the provision of courses that would facilitate economic growth in the regions. There is a real fear that the original purpose and objectives of regional technical colleges, now institutes of technology, will be diluted over time.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I think the Deputy has made his point.

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I am asking the Taoiseach in all seriousness, having listened to the people involved, if we would defer passage of this Bill until after the general election.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I am not sure to whom the Deputy was talking. The first indication of this came after the closure of a major plant in the south east and the Government's very early decision was to introduce the potential for technological universities. There is none in the south east, and that is what started the movement. It was a matter for individual institutes of technology if they wished to group together to form technological universities-----

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It was to make it mandatory.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----and there were great difficulties between the colleges in the south east. I believe this matter has been discussed and consulted on broadly by the Department of Education and Skills and the colleges. My view is that this has gone on now for a number of years. We are now on Report and Final Stages. It has been through the pre-legislative hearing process, Second Stage, Committee Stage and all that, so I do not see any reason it should be postponed now. Every piece of legislation that is passed can be tested in the context of this particular process. Technological universities are a way of the future for specific sectors-----

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I have no issue with technological universities. It is the mandatory merger I am raising.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----which will grow in importance over the years.

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A Cheann Comhairle-----

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

There was extensive consultation about it.

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I have two issues.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We are nine minutes into the Order of Business.

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I know but there are 30 minutes.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Other Deputies are offering.

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I had intended to raise two points, which I normally get a chance to do. This could be my last day here, a Cheann Comhairle, in terms of this Dáil.

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John, your time has come.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Does Deputy Martin know something I do not know?

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That is a good cue for me to put the question to the Taoiseach. Will he confirm that he will be coming into the House on Tuesday to dissolve the Dáil and go to Áras an Uachtaráin to commence the general election? He might be in a position to confirm that.

A Cheann Comhairle, I want the record of the House corrected because last night the Minister, Deputy Alan Kelly, spoke on the Private Members' motion introduced by Deputy Barry Cowen about increasing the number of social housing units, and he stated that 13,000 new social housing units had been built in 2015, which is not the truth and not a clear representation of that.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We cannot debate that here.

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These are not new social housing units, be it transfers from rent allowance-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy will be replying to the debate later when I am sure he can make that point.

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-----to the housing assistance payment and so on.

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They are new tenancies.

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Yes, but it is playing with language. To be honest-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We are not debating that now.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy, please do not encourage him. Thank you.

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People are fed up with this misuse and abuse of language in terms of trying to camouflage Government achievements when we all know that housing and homelessness-----

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Back to the use of bad language.

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The position in terms of housing and homelessness-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Hold on a second. This is the Order of Business.

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The record needs to be corrected, and I ask that it be corrected.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy can raise that in the Private Members' debate tonight.

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Tá dhá phíosa reachtaíochta agam don Taoiseach. Bhí mé ag súil go mbeadh an Rialtas tar éis críochnú leis an athbhreithniú ar Acht na dTeangacha Oifigiúla faoin am seo. Measaim go bhfuil géarchéim ann ó thaobh na Gaeilge agus na Gaeltachta de agus nach bhfuil go leor déanta ag an Rialtas nó ag Rialtais roimhe seo chun an teanga a chosaint. Is trua nach bhfuil Bille os ár gcomhair agus nach féidir linn cinntiú go bhfuil na cosantaí cuí ann. Tá súil agam go mbeidh sé mar cheann de thosaíochtaí pé Rialtas a théann i gceannas go luath.

Bhí me ag féachaint ar an gcéad fhorógra reachtaíochta a d'fhoilsigh an Rialtas in 2011. Ar an liosta bándearg, which is Bills expected to be published during the summer session in 2011, we have the Electoral Commission Bill to establish a new electoral commission to subsume the functions of exiting bodies. There was no sign of it last year, and there is still no sign of it now, but it was expected to be published in 2016. Is there any hope that, at the very least, we will see the heads of that Bill before the Taoiseach disappears onto the campaign trail?

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Tá a fhios ag an Teachta go maith go bhfuil níos mó airgid tugtha do Údarás na Gaeltachta, go bhfuil straitéis na Gaeilge leagtha amach, go bhfuil an raic a bhí ar siúl faoin gCoimisinéir Teanga neamhspleách don Ghaeilge réitithe, go bhfuil oibrithe tugtha dó, agus sílim go bhfuil job maith á dhéanamh aige. De réir mar a thuigim, tá cursaí fostaíochta ag dul in airde sna Gaeltachtaí agus ba mhaith liom go leanfaidh sé sin as seo amach.

Maidir leis an gclár Rialtais a rinne an Teachta tagairt do, is fíor go raibh comisiún toghchánaíochta le bunú ag an Rialtas. Tuigim, de réir tuairisc a chur an tAire isteach, go raibh an coiste Oireachtais ag díospóireacht faoi chursaí poiblí faoi seo agus gur chríochnaigh na díospóireachtaí sin ag deireadh mhí Iúil na bliana seo caite. Tuigim freisin go bhfuil an tuarascáil foilsithe ag an gcoiste agus go bhfuil cuid de na moltaí maidir le bunú an choimisiúin toghchánaíochta sa tuarascáil sin. Níl sé léite agam toisc nach bhfaca mé go fóill é, ach tuigim go mbeidh sé ar chumas an chéad Rialtais eile an coimisiún seo a bhunú, ag éirí as na díospóireachtaí a bhí ann, an tuarascáil foilsithe, agus na moltaí atá inti a thabhairt i bhfeidhm.

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I welcome the €30 million allocation to Clare County Council in respect of local and regional roads. In the context of the recent flooding, extensive damage has been done to local roads, an issue which has been debated in the House. Is the Taoiseach aware whether any work has been done on creating a budget to carry out repairs to local roads-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

That is not a matter for the Order of Business. The Deputy knows that.

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-----which have been damaged by the floods?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy might submit a Topical Issue matter.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

If I may respond in one sentence, a Cheann Comhairle-----

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Give him a few more bob.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----the local authorities have responded to the flooding consequences throughout the country, and that has been sent to the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport. Between that and the humanitarian scheme administered by the Red Cross, the Minister, Deputy Donohoe, will respond to this tomorrow with a budget of in excess of €100 million to deal with the consequences of flooding.

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Regarding the upcoming general election, we have just had a Supreme Court finding about the north Kerry elections, particularly in the Listowel area, whereby the guidelines were found to contain a mistake under the Local Elections (Petitions and Disqualifications) Act 1974. Do we need to have those amended before the upcoming election to circumvent the option of somebody taking a constitutional case on whether the results stand up to scrutiny?

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Does the Deputy mean in respect of the local elections?

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The same guidelines will apply to the returning officers.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We cannot deal with local elections here.

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It is the 1974 Act. Do we need to update the guidelines as a result of what the Supreme Court has found?

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I will have to get a comprehensive answer for Deputy Spring on that.

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It is very important to Dan Kiely.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I call Deputy Healy-Rae.

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With regard to the programme for Government and the Health (Amendment) Bill, could the Taoiseach explain why home help hours were taken from people?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Hold on a second. We are off again.

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People who had a home help service on Christmas Day previously did not have it last year.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

This is the Order of Business. It is not a debate about home help hours.

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Yes, but we talk about the homelessness-----

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If someone is receiving home help hours it is a very important issue. On the programme for Government and the commitments given-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

There was nothing in the programme for Government about home help hours.

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I am sorry but there was.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

About home help hours?

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Yes. The Government gave a commitment about home help hours.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Taoiseach, have you made a commitment about home help hours?

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The five-point plan is down to three now.

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Let the Taoiseach answer.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Home help hours have been increased but they are subject to arrangements between the local home helps and the persons whom they serve. I am not sure about Deputy Healy-Rae's point about it being withdrawn on Christmas Day.

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Yes, it happened.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Arrangements are made between the home helps and the people they look after every day or every week. There may have been a local circumstance for that. I do not take it as a given that the home help service was cut off for the person the Deputy mentioned.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy should make further inquiries about that.

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I am also looking for help for homes, but it is for homeowners, given the number of repossessions. Two years ago the Taoiseach laughed at me-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

What legislation?

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On the land and conveyancing Acts and the promised judicial council. We have no justice for people and-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Hold on.

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-----they are being railroaded-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy is getting excited again.

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-----and being trodden on in their homes. Families are being thrown out of their homes. They are queueing up in the courts to get them thrown out. County registrars are treating them appallingly and the Taoiseach knows it. That is why he will not call the election. It is because he is afraid to call it.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

What legislation is the Deputy talking about?

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I am talking about two pieces of legislation. The judicial council Bill and the Land and Conveyancing Law Reform Act 2013.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The judicial what?

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The judicial council Bill, which is supposed to put some respect on the justices and get justice for the people-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Do not go into the contents of it.

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-----and have declarations of interest from the judges. The Taoiseach does not want to meet people in the country who are being threatened in their homes and are being evicted and thrown out. Deputy Healy Rae spoke about Christmas Day.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I think the Deputy has made his point.

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He will not look after any day. When will the Taoiseach meet the people and stop the evictions and the terrorising by the banks?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sorry, Deputy. Do not get excited.

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I am excited about it, and the Taoiseach will be when he meets the people, because he will not be bringing them into the banks for a loan like he did the last time. His five-point plan has gone down to a three-point plan.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

All right.

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No, seriously-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

But seriously - I am dead serious.

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A judicial council was promised as well.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Hold on a second.

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The Government promised a judicial council with a charter for judges.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I am getting the Taoiseach to answer the question.

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The Deputy is looking to be thrown out.

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I am not looking to be thrown out at all.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

The matter of judicial council legislation is being worked on.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Quite a deal of work has been done on it, and obviously it will be produced in due course. Let me confirm to Deputy McGrath there is absolutely no fear at all of blowing the whistle and calling an election, and the people will have their say.

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Off with you then, any time. They are waiting for the Taoiseach.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

There is no fear at all.

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They are waiting for the Taoiseach in the streets.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

They are waiting for the Deputy.

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Tell that to some of the lads who were in a coma for five years.

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In the context of the national disability strategy under the Department of Health and the Cabinet sub-committee on social policy, I wish to ask the Taoiseach, in regard to autism, whether speech and language therapy will get priority. Perhaps we could have a debate on this in the House before we dissolve the Dáil.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I will have the Whip note that to see whether an arrangement can be made.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We will now move on to-----

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A Cheann Comhairle-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

No thanks.

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A Cheann Comhairle-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

No. I am not calling you. It is as simple as that. Please resume your seat.

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I want to raise something, please.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Provided you are in order.

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I want to check with you that I am in order this time. Am I allowed to ask the Taoiseach a question about the programme for Government and promised legislation?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Promised legislation, yes. Go ahead.

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At the very outset of this Dáil term the Taoiseach promised the Irish people he would bring about all of his efforts and energies towards burden sharing-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Here-----

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-----and he introduced a Bill in February 2013 to liquidate IBRC and impose €29 billion at the time - in fact, €32 billion-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

What legislation is the Deputy inquiring about?

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-----on the Irish people. Last week, the Taoiseach was in Davos and was told there was an alternative way-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy, what Bill are you speaking about?

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I am talking about the liquidation of IBRC, which is still in progress.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

That is not on the Order of Business.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

What legislation?

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-----in the context of-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

This is about promised legislation.

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I have another topic to raise, so I do not want to waste too much time on this.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Please put the question about promised legislation.

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The audit of the European banks showed that the Irish people were unfairly and wrongly burdened-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy is not listening to me.

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-----with the debts and losses of banks.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

He should resume his seat if he is not putting a question about promised legislation.

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The Taoiseach is in a very powerful position.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy, you will be taking a walk again. Please-----

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A Cheann Comhairle, please.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Please recognise the Chair-----

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I will move to the second item.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

-----and adhere to the rules.

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I am disappointed.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Promised legislation is what the Order of Business is about.

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Yes, but we are all here-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

It is not about making speeches about Davos or anywhere else. I called the Deputy reluctantly and I regret it very much.

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The leaders of the Opposition brought up all the failures and the hurts to the Irish people, including-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Will the Deputy put his question about promised legislation?

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-----hospitals, homelessness and housing waiting lists, and if the Taoiseach had €25 billion in funds-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sorry, Deputy, will you put your question?

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-----he would be able to deal with all of those things.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Will you put your question about promised legislation?

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The second point is about Ibrahim Halawa. Has the Taoiseach lifted the phone to the President of Egypt?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Will the Deputy please resume his seat? That is out of order.

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