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Dáil

Order of Business

Items in this session
Joan Burton Minister for Social Protection Labour Party

It is proposed to take No. 8, motion re the proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014, back from committee; No. 23, Roads Bill 2014 - Second Stage (resumed); and No. 1, Health Identifiers Bill 2013 [Seanad] - Second Stage.

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that No. 8 shall be decided without debate. Tomorrow's fortnightly Friday business shall be No. 45, Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Judicial Appointments) Bill 2013 - Second Stage; and No. 9, report on organ donation by the Joint Committee on Health and Children.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

There is one proposal to be put to the House. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 8 agreed to?

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It is not agreed. Given the statement and the announcement by the Taoiseach yesterday stating that the confidential recipient, Mr. Oliver Connolly, has been relieved-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Hold on a second. This has nothing to do with this motion.

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It actually has.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

No, it has not.

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If the Ceann Comhairle would just let me-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Well-----

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I beg the Ceann Comhairle's pardon. I am opposing this on the grounds-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Yes but it is a motion re proposed approval of the Finance Act.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

It has nothing to do with the-----

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How does the Ceann Comhairle know? Will he let me finish?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Listen Deputy, would you mind respecting the Chair please?

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I do respect the Chair. I always respect the Chair.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Yes, well I am telling you to stick to the motion.

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May I just say, the Ceann Comhairle is too restrictive?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I am not too restrictive.

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I have been in this House for a long time. The Ceann Comhairle needs to respect the Opposition's role as well.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Excuse me Deputy, I respect everyone in this House and I expect you to respect the Chair and to respect the rules of the House.

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And I do. I oppose this and I am entitled to make a statement on the opposition to this.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

That is fair enough, but stick to the motion.

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That is what I was saying but I had not even finished my sentence when I was interrupted.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We are not entering into another debate about the confidential-----

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The reason is I find it extraordinary that time has not been made available by the Government for the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Shatter, to come into the Chamber today to make a statement on this issue and to answer questions.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

But that is an entirely separate issue to the-----

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It is an extraordinary situation that the Order of Business-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Resume your seat please.

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----- does not allow for a debate-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

You are making a joke out of the business.

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I am not making any joke.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Of course you are.

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It is the Order Paper that is making a joke out of it.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Will you resume your seat please?

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With the greatest of respect, it is the Order Paper that is making a joke of this. He should be in here today.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I will suspend the sitting unless the Deputy resumes his seat. This is codology.

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But he should be in here.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sit down and resume your seat.

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It is the greatest bar. A special notice question was tabled yesterday-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Are you opposing this motion?

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----- and it was not accepted.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I will now put the question.

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I have been in this House for a long time-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Listen, would you mind-----

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----- and on matters of this gravity, Ministers always have come in.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The House is suspended for ten minutes.

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A Cheann Comhairle, may I raise a point of order-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

No, you cannot. The Deputy cannot raise a point of order on the resumption of the House. I am putting the question now.

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Can we have a reply from the Minister first?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I do not know to what the Minister is being asked to reply.

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I reassure Deputy Martin that this is a technical motion in regard to the roll-over of approximately €132 million of capital relating to a number of Departments, which money is already in the Central Fund. This is a purely technical matter which, I am sure, the Deputy will approve of.

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Nothing to see, move on.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I am now putting the question.

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A Cheann Comhairle, may I raise a point of order now?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

On what?

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On the issue that was discussed earlier.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sorry, I am in the middle of putting a question to the House.

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May I do so when the Ceann Comhairle has disposed of the question?

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Would Deputy Flanagan like to correct the record himself?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy Flanagan cannot be jumping up and down in the middle of my putting a question.

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I will treat the Ceann Comhairle with the utmost respect. I really need the matter that was discussed earlier-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sorry, Deputy. Would you please resume your seat?

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They are all getting tetchy.

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They are hungry.

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They are following Deputies opposite.

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I understand.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

On the Order of Business, Deputy Martin.

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Will the Minister ensure that the Government makes time available for a debate on the grave issues that have arisen consequent on the confidential recipient, Mr. Oliver Connolly, being relieved of his duties? Some serious issues have been raised in that context and it is appropriate that Members of this House on all sides would have an opportunity to contribute to such a debate and that the Minister would come into the House and answer questions in that regard. This is a basic request in respect of which there is plenty of precedent. I ask that the Government commit to the provision of time for such a debate.

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The issue of a debate is a matter for the Whips. I suggest the matter be dealt with at a Whips' meeting.

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It is a matter for Government.

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The Minister has always been willing to come into the House and to attend any committee of the Houses. In fairness to the Minister, he has attended various committees for lengthy periods. The Minister is currently away on EU business.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

He was at a committee meeting all day yesterday.

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Not on this issue.

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He has not said anything.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

He dealt with it in committee yesterday.

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The Deputy needs to get up to speed on matters.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Would Deputy Durkan like to take the Chair?

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

No. I am sorry.

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The Deputy is not sorry.

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The Minister's response to a call for a debate on this matter in the House is that that is a matter for the Whips. Will the Minister support that debate in the context of it being about a person in a key position in relation to a major scandal having been sacked?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I think we have dealt with that matter.

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Will Deputy Burton as Minister and speaking on behalf of the Labour Party support the holding of a debate at the earliest opportunity next week?

When will the National Treasury Management Agency (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill relating to the management of State claims agencies and third party legal costs arising from the tribunals, which I assume is being introduced as a result of the many contested costs as a result of the Moriarty tribunal, be published and will there be pre-legislative consultation on it at committee? It is important that the Taoiseach outline to the House whether he accepts the full findings of the Moriarty tribunal. The Taoiseach has never informed the House that he does accept those findings. It is important in the context of informing the debate on that legislation that he do so.

We are aware that Denis O'Brien has lobbied the Taoiseach-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sorry, would you please-----

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-----and the Minister, Deputy Rabbitte, in relation to not accepting the findings. It is important the Taoiseach informs the House of his position and that of the Government on the Moriarty tribunal findings.

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As I said earlier, a debate on the matters raised by the Deputy is a matter for the Whips. An esteemed judge has been appointed to carry out an independent inquiry. I am sure Sinn Féin has confidence in the judge. Perhaps Deputy Doherty would like to make clear as would, perhaps, Fianna Fáil and the Independents that they do have confidence in the judge and the Judiciary in this country.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

Hear, hear.

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The National Treasury Management Agency (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill is not expected before Easter. As the Deputy will be aware as part of the reformed process in relation to legislation debate on all heads of Bills takes place in committee. On the issue of the Moriarty tribunal findings, the Deputy can raise that issue during the debate, as I am sure he will do.

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Does the Minister accept the findings?

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I have spoken on that issue on many occasions. The Deputy can refer to my record in the House on it.

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What is the status of the workplace relations Bill, which was expected a couple of years ago?

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I understand work on that Bill is well advanced and that it is expected to come before the House later in this term.

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Ciaran Lynch Deputy Ciarán Lynch Labour Party

First, I apologise for any disrespect I may have cast on the Chair earlier this morning. Also, comments were made earlier this morning-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sorry, Deputy we are not dealing with comments now. We are dealing with the Order of Business.

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Ciaran Lynch Deputy Ciarán Lynch Labour Party

-----that cast aspersions-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

If the Deputy has anything further to say he should do so to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.

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The waiting list for social housing is now very lengthy. In this regard and in the context of the Government's commitment to end homelessness by 2016, when will the housing (miscellaneous provisions) (amendment) Bill be introduced? There is an urgent need to have that legislation enacted.

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I understand we will come back to that in the second part-----

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The second part of what?

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Before agreeing to the Order of Business, it is entirely appropriate that we would refer to the matter referred to earlier. I thank you, a Cheann Comhairle, for replying to my correspondence in this matter. You have quite rightly referred the matter for consideration to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges. Can a meeting be convened for today?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Not possible.

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These remarks will go unwithdrawn-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

It is not possible to call a meeting today.

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Are they more important than the other issues we discussed today?

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----- in a way that undermines the committee.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The matter has been referred to the committee to be dealt with.

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On the same issue-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

What issue?

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On the same issue of the impugning of the reputation of a Member-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

No, we are not dealing with that. It is a matter for the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.

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Is the Deputy the watchdog?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

If the Deputy also wants to make a complaint, he may do so. Because of all the shouting, I did not hear anything.

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He is the new terrier of Fine Gael, the Jack Russell of Fine Gael.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Therefore if the Deputy has a complaint I ask him to refer it to the committee.

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I will refer it to that committee. In your capacity as Ceann Comhairle, you might afford the Member opposite the opportunity to withdraw the remark now.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I do not know what remark the Deputy is talking about. I am sorry; I did not hear it. That was my problem. I tried to-----

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

A Cheann Comhairle-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I ask Deputy Durkan to resume his seat, please.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

I will.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I thank the Deputy. I call Deputy Mattie McGrath.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

I wish to raise a point of order.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We are not making a fool out of this House.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

I am sorry, a Cheann Comhairle, I ask you to please listen.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy Durkan was not called.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

The Deputy sitting opposite has repeated the remark since the House resumed.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I did not hear the remarks the Deputy is talking about.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

I heard the remarks.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I ask the Deputy to resume his seat.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

Those remarks are undermining-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I will need to suspend the House again if the Deputy does not sit down. I am not putting up with this.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

A Cheann Comhairle-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Will you sit down?

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

A Cheann Comhairle, you are not being fair to the House.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Will you resume your seat? I told you the matter will be dealt with in the proper fashion.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

I wish to have that matter addressed now.

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I refer to the geothermal Bill. A situation in Tipperary has arisen on payment of charges.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

What Bill?

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The geothermal Bill.

Under the Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013 it has come to my notice that despite requests by many Deputies over the years to have slurry spreading dates changed to non-calendar months-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

This is the Order of Business.

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------ it has never been brought to Europe by Government.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

What Bill is the Deputy discussing?

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I am talking about the animal welfare Bill because animals are affected by this.

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Talk to the Jack Russell of Fine Gael.

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If we all stay quiet Deputy Mattie McGrath's colleague might repeat his remarks.

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I am delighted that Deputy Mattie McGrath is so concerned about the animals. At least someone in the House is concerned about some living creatures. That seemed to be absent from the debate earlier.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Can the Minister please get on with it?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I ask the Deputy to sit down.

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I understand the geothermal Bill will be later in the year. The Deputy referred to animal welfare legislation; the Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013 was enacted last May.

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Tá a fhios agam.

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The HEA is totally at odds with the agency's stated aims regarding enhancing the skills and competence of individual enterprises. We need to develop Ireland as a competitive knowledge-based economy.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

While that is all very interesting, about what Bill is the Deputy talking?

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The Minister, Deputy Quinn-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

This is getting worse.

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When will we have the Higher Education Authority Bill before us?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Ballymagash has nothing on it.

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You are out of order completely today, a Cheann Comhairle.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

What Bill is the Deputy talking about?

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You are losing your cool. Keep your hair on.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

What Bill is the Deputy talking about?

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I inquired about the Higher Education Authority Bill.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

That is grand.

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We need hearing aids for many people in this House.

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Should have gone to Specsavers.

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I understand the heads of the HEA Bill have been drafted and it should be before the Dáil next year.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

To assuage the fears of some Members of the Opposition, it might be helpful to bring in the criminal justice corruption Bill to consolidate and reform all the legislation currently cited as the Prevention of Corruption Acts 1889 to 2010. That should cover the period in question to which the Opposition has been referring. Have the heads of that Bill been approved in Cabinet? When will it be brought before the House?

I also ask about the legislation to provide for the exchange of criminal records information with other EU member states and other designated states. It is the criminal records information systems Bill, which should be very interesting. I am sure all Members of the Opposition will take particular interest in that.

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Why is Deputy Durkan interested?

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

In order to assuage the fears and worries of the Opposition, is it intended to bring that Bill to the House as a matter of urgency?

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The heads of the criminal justice corruption Bill were dealt with in July 2012. The pre-legislative committee meetings will take place, but we do not have a date as yet.

I understand that the second Bill should come in April.

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When will we see the trusts Bill, to reform and consolidate the law relating to trustees so as to deal better with and protect trust assets?

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There is no date for that legislation.

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The Mahon report recommended the establishment of a planning regulator to be charged with carrying out investigations into the planning process where required. This office was approved by Cabinet last year. When will the legislation be published?

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There is a planning Bill proposed, which will deal partly with the implementation of the recommendations from the Mahon report. I do not have a date for that.

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When is the family law Bill, to make provision for pension adjustments in the context of separation agreements and certain other reforms in family law, expected to be published?

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I understand that will happen next year.

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Regarding the health transport Bill, work is under way in the Department of Health to replace the motorised transport scheme and the mobility allowance scheme which was suspended late year. When is that Bill expected to be published?

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I understand that will happen later in the year.

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